Suzuki Cylinder Leak Down Test – Part 2 (Are Valves Bent?)

Suzuki Cylinder Leak Down Test – Part 2 (Are Valves Bent?)

This is a procedure of illustrating a cylinder leak down teak on a 2006 Suzuki Forenza to determine valve damage from a timing belt breakage. This procedure …

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mbarizia says:

134A Freon, still 2?, last one. this was my personal tip 🙂

stuzman52 says:

Thanks firesickle!!!! Just be sure to take your time and don’t rush
yourself. You’ll have a SUPER great job in the end!!!

stuzman52 says:

Hi Fikarizal! If you’re sure the battery and alternator is okay and your
battery connections are alright, then try this. Do a voltage drop test on
your negative battery cable. The positve voltage drop will be impossible
because of the starter location. I’m not sure if the wiring diagram is the
same on your car as mine, but you can take a look and see. Go to my video
named “Suzuki Forenza Head Installation Part 9 (We’re Done)” and watch the
first six minutes. I show how to tap into a cont)…

stuzman52 says:

So, that’s why I had to turn it 180°, to get the next cylinder up on
compression. The firing order as you may remember is 1-3-4-2. To determine
how the coils are fired for any ignition system as this, split the firing
order in half. For example, take 1 and 3 and write then down, then take 4
and 2 and bring them under 1 and 3. Look at them in a column. You’ll see
1-4 and 3-2. That’s how the coil packs are firing the cylinders. So, when
#1 is on compression, #4 is on exhaust. Same for others.

Si Cekot Cekot Lala says:

where can i find the starter?TQ

firesickle says:

Thanks again! You are a champion amongst men! I will let you know after I
get it all apart and have work done.

klowny1969 says:

Very thorough and very understandable..two things that are hard to get
right when taping mechanic videos.. A++

stuzman52 says:

connector which has a wire going down to the solenoid. Measure the voltage
at the wire that I’m tapped into while you’re cranking the engine and see
what your voltage is. This will confirm if your ignition switch is okay. If
that’s good, then it’s time to take a closer look at the starter. I assume
that with your car being hard to start, you mean that the solenoid is
clicking sometimes or that your engine is turning over slowly. Good luck
with your repair and thanks on the comments of the videos

fikarizal2 says:

Just changed to new starter,can feel the different when start the car..do
we need to reset ecu after install new timing belt and water pump?

stuzman52 says:

Wow! $1400 is a lot of money to be saving there firesickle. Not only that,
but look at all of the stuff that you learned about your car. Great job
firesickle!

firesickle says:

Got everything apart and back together with no problems. The head was
warpped but there was no additional damage, so got that into the machine
shop. My friend helped me do the majority of the work, he replaced the
timing belt while we were at it. My cam had a lot of wear (according to my
friend and his dad), which is sad because I really took care of this car,
regular oil changes and easy to moderate acceleration only. Car runs great
now, appreciate these videos and your advice!

stuzman52 says:

Excellent work firesickle! I’m glad to hear that everything worked out for
you and that the car is running fine now. Thanks for the compliment on the
videos and I’m glad that they helped you out!

stuzman52 says:

Glad to hear your got her starting good now! There is nothing to reset on
the ecu after doing a timing belt and water pump change. Of course for
safety, you should remove the negative battery cable when you do this job.
The only thing that the manual calls for is a idle relearn procedure which
doesn’t require a scan tool. I show the steps to perform in my video
entitled “Suzuki Forenza Head Installation Part 10 (Running)”. This is
discussed in the very beginning of the video. Good luck fikarizal

Si Cekot Cekot Lala says:

Im using chevrolet optra 1.8,but i believe the engine looks like same ur
forenza..sometime my car hard to start,btw battery still new and altenator
is ok..im suspected the starter.do u hv any opinion on this matter?btw ur
video really great sir..

nowanda2nd says:

Nice video, Thanks for posting on YouTube. I’m just curious why didn’t you
pressure test cylinders 1&4 and then turned the crankshaft 180 degrees and
test 2&3? It should do the same or I might be missing a point?

stuzman52 says:

Hi Fikarizal. The starter motor is located underneath the intake manifold
over towards the driver side. If you don’t mind, what issues are you having
and thanks for watching?

stuzman52 says:

One last thing nowanda2nd. I showe this method on a four cylinder engine of
using 180° of crank rotation. If you have a 6 cylinder, then it would be
720°/6 or 120° of the crank. Or if you have an 8 cylinder, then it would be
720°/8 or 90° of the crank. Pretty simple eh! If you would like to know
more about ignition systems or other electrical/electronics, let me know
and I’ll put some videos together using an oscilloscope and can discuss
waveforms. Take care!

stuzman52 says:

I appreciate the kind words about the videos. Remember, these are for you
and others, and if I can improve on something, or if I’m not clear on an
explanation, let me know. Thanks again nowanda2nd!

firesickle says:

After all of the parts and a few extra bucks I payed my friend for his
help, the replacement only ran me 600 dollars, which was very reasonable in
contrast with the ~2000 dollar estimate a dealer gave me.

stuzman52 says:

Sorry to hear about your head gasket issue. So, I guess you’re going to
have to pull the head. If you do, be sure to check the head decking for
pitting because the coolant has a tendency to put very small holes there. I
had some minor pitting and had the machine shop to weld it. Then they came
back with a minor machining to clean it up. Oh and you’re very welcomed
about the videos. I’m glad they will save you lots of money. Good luck on
your repair and keep us posted of your results. Thanks!

stuzman52 says:

If it turns out that the damage is on the upper part of the engine (head),
then I would get the head fixed (valves, seals, etc). Now, if it turns out
that the piston(s) got damaged, broken, etc., of course with the valves
bent, then another engine would be cheaper. Otherwise, you’ll have to
rebuild everything and the cost would be up there. Oh, I appeciate you
subscribing and if you see something that I can improve on, let me know.
Smiling…I’ll let the camera lady know of her great job!

nowanda2nd says:

I own an 06 Forenza with 112K on it (fortunately had the timing belt
replaced right after buying), but had no idea on how a timing belt is
replaced and the extent of damages a broken timing belt can cause. I am
also curious to know where you had/going to have the head machined, and how
much it costs. Some people say it doesn’t worth to fix bent valve and
suggest buying a new/used motor.

stuzman52 says:

Good question nowanda2nd! If you remember, I mentioned that both cylinders
1 and 4 fired at the same time, so it seems like I could go ahead and do 4
after I did #1. While the firing of both cylinders is true, this car like
many uses a waste-spark ignition system. This means both #1 and #4 fired
where #1 would be on compression but #4 would be on the exhaust stroke. So,
the exhaust valves on #4 would be open, where on #1 all the valves would be
closed since it’s on the compression stroke…cont

Si Cekot Cekot Lala says:

Yes, i look up my car manual, the wiring diagram 100% match with
forenza.Many thanks sir.

stuzman52 says:

Excellent Fikarizal! Glad to hear that your diagrams match up. So, you can
go ahead and tap into the solenoid wire that I show to make sure that your
voltage is correct at that point going to the solenoid. Good luck again on
your repair and keep us informed of your progress.

nowanda2nd says:

Thanks stuzman52, your explanation cleared everything. Thanks again for the
great videos, I can’t tell how precious these videos are! after watching
the first and 2nd one, I couldn’t quit watching the rest. And I should also
thank your assistant/cameraman who is doing a great job in shooting the
video and holding the light…cont

stuzman52 says:

Very good Stein. Of course now, 42 is never too old, lol…

SteinOnkel says:

How to remember the firing order on a 4-Cylinder: 13’s too young 42’s too
old

firesickle says:

I have this car, and am having misfire/headgasket issues… these videos
are saving me hundreds of dollars and teaching me how my car’s engine
works. Thank you for your amazing videos!

stuzman52 says:

No problem nowanda2nd…I’ve got just about all the parts in now and will
get the head to the local machine shop once everything arrives. I’m looking
to replace all the valves, valve guides and valve seals. Of course, the
machine shop will check the head deck for warpage, cracks, etc. I’ll keep
you posted on the cost of parts and the cost for the machine work which
shouldn’t be that much. As for your last statement about a used engine,
either way it’s a fair amount of work. Well, …

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