VW TDI Dual Mass Flywheel DMF Nightmare

VW TDI Dual Mass Flywheel DMF Nightmare

Dual Mass Flywheel(DMF) on a 2003 VW Golf TDI ALH 1.9L. The Flywheel was more then 15deg off (Twisted) and off-centered. That caused a horrible and unexplain…

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Thafussa says:

I hear a some kind of minor knocking sound from my DMF when its Idling.
it has been changed with another DMF from a Diesel car which was probably
used.
Im thinking on gettting a new DMF, will it also give me that knocking sound
?
I heard that the Single mass flywheel will cause the clutch to be much
harder.
I am not so sure I would want that.
my car is about 105.000KM.
I have performance Engine Mounts all around so now ofcourse the knocking
sound while idling sounds a lot more louder.
Thanks.

Martin Thomson says:

are you putting a F1 clutch on with a stock flywheel? Its not gonna work?
You’re gonna have misallignment issues. something tells me this was the
reason for his failure in 1st place.rule of thumb= Never match/mix
flywheels/clutch kits ever.Its like fitting LUK with valeo/sachs. will NOT
work.crank damage most probably gonna occur. Had this exact same problem
with a Golf TDI
Id love to have a listen to that flywheel/clutch in about 6 months time

RA30st08 says:

Great video, maybe not agreeing with it all though. How’s that single mass
flywheel? I just changed the DMF on my Audi A3 1.9TDi ASZ. Had thought
about the single mass but heard the vibration at idle was pretty bad. 

Myopinionjustsaying says:

Please tell me you turned that flywheel before putting it together!?

Rob H says:

Well TDI’s clutches are actually designed not to fail. But it be used a
different way. Yet for some reason only the Germany seems to be aware of
it. I have a 2002 Jetta TDI with 260 000km. Original Clutch. And still
nothing wrong with it. The reason is very simple. Don’t touch the throttle
when you take off. The clutch will last the life of the car. Also applies
to shifting No throttle until fully engaged. 

ltbaldwin says:

Tell me about the turbo you have?? You seem really happy and I would like
to look into replacing mine on my 2004 Jetta TDI with 200,000 miles

Charley Baskett says:

I have a 2012 Jetta TDI (6 Speed Manual) When i start driving it sounds
like a grinding wobbling almost like a warped rotor but you can’t feel it
through the steering wheel during driving or breaking just a weird wobble
noise but no wobble and the alignment is perfect what can this be I am also
having trouble when I am turning my car is making weird noises especially
at slow speeds, before it just used to be on the road, hearing wobbling
noises, knew it couldn’t be the tire being that it was new, then it started
to pick up when I started turning left and right mainly at slower speeds, I
have taken it to the dealership over and over and they couldn’t find
nothing, at least 5 different times tell just recently they said its cause
my tires are feathered and I have taken it to them repeatedly and never
have they told me this before. I know tires don’t make a rubbing kind of
noise when I am turning into my drive way at 25 mph or when I am parking it
at 5, it really seems they don’t want to help me and think I am hearing
sounds, on manager at the worst dealership in California (VW Kearny Mesa)
told me to buy $2000 tires and maybe the sound might go away, customer
service right. I also notice weird noises coming from the brakes when I am
putting pressure on it, also loud screeching noises like metal on metal
noise coming every morning, also a new noise when I turn my steering wheel
all the way right and reverse, I hear this weird whooo noise, like my car
was never ran in 100 years and just straight rusty loud noise, and its
coming from the left front almost similar sound to the wobbling when
driving. I have taken it on multiple drives with multiple technicians, one
VW place tells me one thing, and the others tell me otherwise, and now they
are all saying my tires after one dealership finally just didn’t want to
deal with me. I bought this car only 6 months ago so if anyone knows what’s
going on with my car can you please help me I want to take advantage of my
warranty and don’t want to pay out of pocket.

sdshawn k says:

I Talked to the NHTSA today, before they will investagte the problem or
defect they need poeple to file a complaint with them about this defect.. I
just have a symtom of the defect but if you actually had it break then
please go to there site and complain
NHTSA.DOT.GOV call VW North America aswell 800-822-8987

Jay Hensley says:

Hey Galloway, got a question but not sure if you can help me out. Worth a
try though. I have a Cobalt that sheared my single mass flywheel bolts.
I’ve been able to remove 2 studs using a left handed drill bit and while
the other 4 move they won’t come out because the bolts are hardened and I’m
not able to actually drill into them at all, plus it dulled the bit. Any
drill bit recommendations I could use to drill these bad boys so I can use
my easy out set? 

thegazzle19 says:

‘They go as little as 50 thousand miles’ mine just went at 16 thousand
miles. 

Tewthpaste says:

my clutch have springs on them and its a Dual mass flywheel

tpvalley says:

how is it bolted on if u have to destroy it to take it off?!

whatmakesittick says:

2001 New Beetle Turbo, 1.8T AWV motor, 02J transaxle. The clutch disk as
removed was original to the car, I am the second owner- got it at 93,000
miles. Check my channel to see the uploaded video of my clutch disk and the
play in it, it’s uploading right now.

GallowayChicago says:

This was/is a Stage 2 Clutch, and a year later is still the best clutch I
have ever installed. Maybe your F1 clutch was installed incorrectly. What
happened with your F1 clutch? “Ruined my car” is a strong statement…

GallowayChicago says:

Good-On-You! for taking control. The Single Mass conversion is the best
5-speed drive-train upgrade you can do to help avoid future flywheel
related problems and to gain more speed, but you should stay away from the
ultra-light flywheels. Most of the flywheels on eBay are composite and have
a low weight(like 15 lbs or 9 lbs). These light units will save you
gas/diesel but will change your shift behavior and will rattle when in the
car is not in gear. Lite flywheels also do not have TDC marks.

GallowayChicago says:

All automatics have a torque converter that works on a principal of fluid
displacement. If you have shaking a low RPMs then you might have either an
issue with your bearings or your CV joints(i.e. drive shaft). If the noise
gets worst or better as you turn to the right at about 40 MPH then you
might have a bearing problem. You might want to jack the car up and take a
quick look at were the drive shafts are bolted into the transmission. Good
Luck.

GallowayChicago says:

Without question! The 100 year old Single Mass classic flywheel design is
stronger, delivers more power to the drive wheels, and protects your
original investment longer then the designed to fail Dual Mass flywheel.
Someone made a comment about ceramic clutches. I would say stay away from
ceramic clutches, but that is only because they fail. That is not to say
that traditional Single Mass spring loaded clutches don’t fail, but the
failure rate to units in use is much lower.

GallowayChicago says:

As I understand it BMW, VW, and Porch put DM in because there is little or
no break-in time, & DM is more forgiving to newer drivers, but SM has been
around for 80+ years. Every 4-speed muscle car has a SM and damage to the
crankshaft is less of a concern then damaging the drive train due to high
torque. Bottom line SM is time tested and will carry more speed to the
tires. Diesels are designed for higher internal compression and torque, so
SM seems like a better fit from the word GO.

GallowayChicago says:

Look good to me. I wish I had seen this instead of the 380745670375 “XTD
STAGE 2 CLUTCH & 9LBS FLYWHEEL KIT GOLF JETTA 1.8T (5SPD)” kit I just
installed. The price is almost the same. but the lighter 9 lb flywheel
rattles too much. I would contact the seller before purchasing to make sure
the kit covers your car & engine. but it look real good to me. Good luck!

BMAC VAGS says:

I need to do this job soon, it looks ugly though

GallowayChicago says:

What make, model, and year was this car? The whole point behind Dualmass is
that the two flywheel parts can move independently and the only way to
limit this movement is to have really strong springs inside the flywheel.
It is normal for Dualmass clutches to have what are called flat metal
springs in them. These are used to keep the clutches shape and provide some
rigidity. I find it hard to wrap my head around any car company OEMing any
round springs in a DMF assembly. Got Pictures?

motica ionescu says:

You went from dual mass flywheel to the flywheel classic, how it behaves
worth changing?

greatwhitejake88 says:

the drive ratio is fixed? i thought these fwd and awd transaxles had a
differential built into them and could be changed if torn down? it doesnt
matter as long as the final drive ratio is a 3:73 or smaller ratio. 3:73 is
perfect for highway speeds but im wanting to build a small suv that will
get 40mppg+. i have been looking at small 4cyl turbo tractor diesels also,
they are more efficient than road going diesels for some reason?

MrShark214 says:

The SMF makes gear change smoother?

Raul Valenzuela says:

I thank you very much your information is being helpful, I found a product
on ebay I think this is the right one for my 2004 Jetta TDI 1.9 but I would
like your opinion, thank you very much

GallowayChicago says:

It really is not that hard, but you need to take your time. So! If you have
never done a clutch before, don’t think you can get it all done in a
weekend. On these VW’s a trans lift is of no use, because of the driver
side Front Control Arm. The Bently & Chilton books show an upper support
for a reason. You will have to rock the trans out & then rock the trans
back in. I did my first one by positioning myself under the trans and
lowing it down by hand then raising it back up by hand.JackStands

Ognjen Jovovic says:

Worst car it VW history.

GallowayChicago says:

I have recently installed a 9 lb Single Mass Flywheel(SMF) in a 2000 VW ALH
Diesel Golf 5-speed and the installation went fine, but the out of gear
noise is normal and disturbing. If I had it to do all over again I would
install a stock weighted VW G60 VR6 SMF. Like the one I installed in the
video. The 2003 Golf from the YT Vid is wonderful. I recently had to change
the front 2 tires because of all the new torque. The Stage-2 Clutch is
tight-tight-tight. I recommend a G60 SMF of 20.5 lbs

aztecducky says:

none of the above! it just sounded bad when it spooled (honestly it sounded
like a pebble grinding against a belt or something but only when the turbo
spooled). i took it apart and the impeller wheel (intake side) had tons of
play so i stopped driving… i got super lucky and caught it just before it
blew completely

GallowayChicago says:

Look good to me. I wish I had seen this instead of the 380745670375 “XTD
STAGE 2 CLUTCH & 9LBS FLYWHEEL KIT GOLF JETTA 1.8T (5SPD)” kit I just
installed. The price is almost the same. but the lighter 9 lb flywheel
rattles too much. I would contact the seller before purchasing to make sure
the kit covers your car & engine. but it look real good to me. Good luck!

CivilKnowsEvenBetter says:

Golf is a big shit. Every 3000 km – two mass wheel destroys engine and
gearbox. Fixing it is worthless as its uneconomical to fix it. Better buy
Peugeot. With Peugeot 406 Warsaw taxi drivers made more than ONE MILLION
kiliometers each.

GallowayChicago says:

Just give me the eBay(tm) item number and I will let you know what I think.
also what is your VW TDI engine? (ALH?) also do you have an Automatic or a
5-Speed?

Raul Valenzuela says:

i think this is the right one, ebay item numer 141018170167, my tdi 2004
jetta 1.9 is a 5-speed manual and about (ALH) im not sure what it is srry

GallowayChicago says:

I stand corrected. Now the only question is: Why would VW re-engineer a
1.8L DMF Clutch Disk? It is not like it is a high torque Diesel. Are clutch
pattens eating into VW’s profits or are they trying to insure that the
clutch will only last about 100K. Did you switch to a SMF? And if so how
was the drivability after the switch. I ask because DMF-to-SMF switch is
the single thing you can do to increase real performance and MPG for
Diesels and Gassers.

Peter Halat says:

I used the VR6 clutch set up and the noise was really pissing me off so
went back to oem. I say VW is quite precise in manufacturing their
products. If You see something on the VAG vehicle there is a good reason
for it there. Same goes for the dual mass clutch set. Many other auto
makers use these clutches and they run with no problem.

raresicu76 says:

Valeo make special kit to change dual mass flywheel to normal flyweel. the
kit cost same as one dual mass but is very good, never make problem again (
I know 2 cars witch are using this system )

GallowayChicago says:

Make sure that Turbo is Tunned right. I replaced my turbo and for about 6
months is was not set to the right pressure. The car ran OK before but once
I tunned the turbo WOW! Now the front tires or bald from all the quick
starts. When your Turbo failed did you have a Run-A-Way or did the turbo
just stop working or did it dump oil out the exhaust?

GallowayChicago says:

I don’t recommend switching flywheels unless your old one is bad, you need
a new clutch, or you just have a ‘Need For Speed’. But it is better to
switch from DMF to SMF before the dual mass goes bad. Why the heck would
anyone put plastic in a flywheel?

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