Thank you mark for making and uploading these video’s. You saved me a lot of time, kept me from ruining something, and helped save me from a shade tree mechanic who was trying to steal my car !
I’m going to have to do this in the next day or so. I was investigating an oil leak and the alternator belt was soaking wet. I thought maybe a crank seal so without thinking took the crank bolt off and pulled it out not realizing it was the timing gear also. Since I’ve already done this and the car is at 225k Miles, probably time for belt 3. Thanks for your service.
my belt is still on the silent shaft, just to worried to make a move to leave it and line it up,so if I wanted to line it up with the old belt on, do I just rotate the crank clockwise like normal until they reset? ive seen you rotate the crank on you vid to put the silent belt on and notice that your camshaft belt was not on the crank sprocket by turning to aline my 2 teeth that will not affect my tdc on my camshaft right? cus the belt is off
I don’t think the valves are bent because I’m pretty sure it wouldn’t run very good or probably not at all. Those two teeth that are off wouldn’t compensate for & make you car run good with bent valves. I would imagine that 2-tweeth off on the silent shaft may not be so noticeable of a problem compared to 2-tweeth off on the timing belt but I would line everything back up the way it’s supposed to be. You’d probably notice a quieter & better performance engine!
i have the same engine, my question is if my camshaft is tdc and im off 2 teeth with my silent shaft smaller sprocket is off 2 teeth, have I been driving my car with maybe bent valve?i kinda wanna leave it the way it is just cause I know the car runs fine but just off 2 teeth marks, oh and now my belts are off can I reset the spocket that is off 2 teeth?
Yes that is bad news…sorry to hear that. I think the next new car I get I’ll do some research first to make sure it doesn’t have an interference type engine like ours & hopefully also has a timing chain. I guess interference engines are are ok if you can change the belt according to their maintenance manual but sometimes you just don’t have the time or the money to take it in. There is no warning…it just breaks & ruins a perfectly good car!
Bad news mark, the valves did get bent. 8 to be exact. I guess I’ll have to get the engine rebuilt as much as I like my car. Oh well, let this be a lesson to me to inspect it often.
Oh man…It’s hard to say because that’s a pretty high speed. The interference type engines rely on timing gears, chains, or belts to prevent the piston from striking the valves by ensuring that the valves are closed when the piston is near top dead center. If this is all out of sync due to the belt breaking or slipping, there is a great possibility that there is damage. All you can do is try putting on new belts & get everything back in time & pray all is okay. Good luck & hope all is good!
Oh man…It’s hard to say because that’s a pretty high speed. The interference type engines rely on timing gears, chains, or belts to prevent the piston from striking the valves by ensuring that the valves are closed when the piston is near top dead center. If this is all out of sync due to the belt breaking or slipping, there is a great possibility that there is damage. All you can do is try putting on new belts & get everything back in time & pray all is okay. Good luck & hope all is good!
My belt broke at highway speed at around 65 MPH. I checked the belt and it was still on Like on your galant. You thing no internal damaged was done? I’m kind of scared that it did
Thanks for the video, I have a 2001 Galant, my timing belt broke while it was idle so I am hopeful I don’t have any engine damage. I thought it would be worth the cost of the belts to see if I do. I got it apart today with the help of your video, tomorrow I will try to install the new belts. Thank You
Originally from Mich so I know what u mean about rust. U really don’t need to remove the crank pulley when changing belts unless there is something else u are working on or if it’s damaged. But if you still need to remove, I would spray the bolt w/ WD40 & let it sit a hour or so. I would even try heating the bolt w/ a simple cheap heat gun then try to break it loose. Ultimately an impact gun (air or electric) or a long breaker bar should do the trick. If manual trans putting in gear may help.
Mark, thanks so much for your video. I have a 2001 gallant and I am having a hard time getting the crank pulley off. I think I may have to loosen the crank bolt. Is there any harm in turning the crank bolt to the left to loosen it? Should I put it in gear? I live in Ohio and this car has never seen a garage so it is quite rusty and stuck.
Thank you very much for replying so soon, the problem was that even they marks were lining up, the CS of on the sensor way like for !/4 of an inch, I turned it just a bit to give clearance to the sensor and now the car comes on, I will see how it works. I really appreciate your help and knowledge.
One more thing to check if you are sure all marks are aligned & car is not starting. Check to see if your crank-position sensor is damaged. The magnet in mine came apart when the belt broke & definitely would have prevented the car from starting. I almost missed seeing it was damaged & only figured it out when I found the magnet stuck to a metal part of the engine. I wondered where it came from!
U-said…”When I finished it the marks lined up but the car did not start, did one explosion and died”. Did your belt break completely while driving at a higher speed? I would say 30+ mph. These engines are interference type & severe damage can result from a broken belt. Mine broke at about 5mph and hoped it could still be repaired. It was worth a try & I was so lucky there was no engine damage. I hope you are able to get your car running again too!
Sorry to hear it didn’t start.In the beginning both belts are off.Start 1st aligning balance sprocket & mark.Install small belt keeping mark aligned. Next ensure oil pump sprocket is aligned w/mark using the small screw driver method and it locks. Back off again to mark. Rotate CAM & Crank & align their timing marks up. Install Timing Belt keeping all marks aligned. Rotate crank (wish I paid attention to how many turns) but believe it was on 3rd but not more than 4th.All should return & line up.
When I started the job all marks where lined up but when the balancer belt came into the picture I had to turn the crank shaft, now the mark is moved, how many times do I have to turn the CS around for it to get back to the real position? does it matter how many times or only that the marks line up again?? When I finished it the marks lined up but the car did not start, did one explosion and die.
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Thanks glad it was helpful to you!
Thank you mark for making and uploading these video’s. You saved me a lot of time, kept me from ruining something, and helped save me from a shade tree mechanic who was trying to steal my car !
I’m going to have to do this in the next day or so. I was investigating an oil leak and the alternator belt was soaking wet. I thought maybe a crank seal so without thinking took the crank bolt off and pulled it out not realizing it was the timing gear also. Since I’ve already done this and the car is at 225k Miles, probably time for belt 3. Thanks for your service.
is it easier to replace the water pump separate from the timing belt? or should they be done together?
my belt is still on the silent shaft, just to worried to make a move to leave it and line it up,so if I wanted to line it up with the old belt on, do I just rotate the crank clockwise like normal until they reset? ive seen you rotate the crank on you vid to put the silent belt on and notice that your camshaft belt was not on the crank sprocket by turning to aline my 2 teeth that will not affect my tdc on my camshaft right? cus the belt is off
I don’t think the valves are bent because I’m pretty sure it wouldn’t run very good or probably not at all. Those two teeth that are off wouldn’t compensate for & make you car run good with bent valves. I would imagine that 2-tweeth off on the silent shaft may not be so noticeable of a problem compared to 2-tweeth off on the timing belt but I would line everything back up the way it’s supposed to be. You’d probably notice a quieter & better performance engine!
i have the same engine, my question is if my camshaft is tdc and im off 2 teeth with my silent shaft smaller sprocket is off 2 teeth, have I been driving my car with maybe bent valve?i kinda wanna leave it the way it is just cause I know the car runs fine but just off 2 teeth marks, oh and now my belts are off can I reset the spocket that is off 2 teeth?
Yes that is bad news…sorry to hear that. I think the next new car I get I’ll do some research first to make sure it doesn’t have an interference type engine like ours & hopefully also has a timing chain. I guess interference engines are are ok if you can change the belt according to their maintenance manual but sometimes you just don’t have the time or the money to take it in. There is no warning…it just breaks & ruins a perfectly good car!
Bad news mark, the valves did get bent. 8 to be exact. I guess I’ll have to get the engine rebuilt as much as I like my car. Oh well, let this be a lesson to me to inspect it often.
Thanks for the reply. I guess I’ll find out when put on a new timing belt. I’ll post a comment when what the results are when done.
Sorry, I mistakenly replied to you but it was meant for Niko Belllic. That’s what happens when I don’t use my reading glasses!
Oh man…It’s hard to say because that’s a pretty high speed. The interference type engines rely on timing gears, chains, or belts to prevent the piston from striking the valves by ensuring that the valves are closed when the piston is near top dead center. If this is all out of sync due to the belt breaking or slipping, there is a great possibility that there is damage. All you can do is try putting on new belts & get everything back in time & pray all is okay. Good luck & hope all is good!
Oh man…It’s hard to say because that’s a pretty high speed. The interference type engines rely on timing gears, chains, or belts to prevent the piston from striking the valves by ensuring that the valves are closed when the piston is near top dead center. If this is all out of sync due to the belt breaking or slipping, there is a great possibility that there is damage. All you can do is try putting on new belts & get everything back in time & pray all is okay. Good luck & hope all is good!
My belt broke at highway speed at around 65 MPH. I checked the belt and it was still on Like on your galant. You thing no internal damaged was done? I’m kind of scared that it did
Thanks for the video, I have a 2001 Galant, my timing belt broke while it was idle so I am hopeful I don’t have any engine damage. I thought it would be worth the cost of the belts to see if I do. I got it apart today with the help of your video, tomorrow I will try to install the new belts. Thank You
Originally from Mich so I know what u mean about rust. U really don’t need to remove the crank pulley when changing belts unless there is something else u are working on or if it’s damaged. But if you still need to remove, I would spray the bolt w/ WD40 & let it sit a hour or so. I would even try heating the bolt w/ a simple cheap heat gun then try to break it loose. Ultimately an impact gun (air or electric) or a long breaker bar should do the trick. If manual trans putting in gear may help.
Mark, thanks so much for your video. I have a 2001 gallant and I am having a hard time getting the crank pulley off. I think I may have to loosen the crank bolt. Is there any harm in turning the crank bolt to the left to loosen it? Should I put it in gear? I live in Ohio and this car has never seen a garage so it is quite rusty and stuck.
Thank you very much for replying so soon, the problem was that even they marks were lining up, the CS of on the sensor way like for !/4 of an inch, I turned it just a bit to give clearance to the sensor and now the car comes on, I will see how it works. I really appreciate your help and knowledge.
One more thing to check if you are sure all marks are aligned & car is not starting. Check to see if your crank-position sensor is damaged. The magnet in mine came apart when the belt broke & definitely would have prevented the car from starting. I almost missed seeing it was damaged & only figured it out when I found the magnet stuck to a metal part of the engine. I wondered where it came from!
U-said…”When I finished it the marks lined up but the car did not start, did one explosion and died”. Did your belt break completely while driving at a higher speed? I would say 30+ mph. These engines are interference type & severe damage can result from a broken belt. Mine broke at about 5mph and hoped it could still be repaired. It was worth a try & I was so lucky there was no engine damage. I hope you are able to get your car running again too!
Sorry to hear it didn’t start.In the beginning both belts are off.Start 1st aligning balance sprocket & mark.Install small belt keeping mark aligned. Next ensure oil pump sprocket is aligned w/mark using the small screw driver method and it locks. Back off again to mark. Rotate CAM & Crank & align their timing marks up. Install Timing Belt keeping all marks aligned. Rotate crank (wish I paid attention to how many turns) but believe it was on 3rd but not more than 4th.All should return & line up.
When I started the job all marks where lined up but when the balancer belt came into the picture I had to turn the crank shaft, now the mark is moved, how many times do I have to turn the CS around for it to get back to the real position? does it matter how many times or only that the marks line up again?? When I finished it the marks lined up but the car did not start, did one explosion and die.
Great Videos, Thank You! Cool smoke machine you made too. Tearing into a Galant tomorrow and your videos will help.
Thanks a lot for the video, man. You’re helping me out big time.