What’s up guys thanks for stopping by and checking out todays video Installing a Trail forged HD Crossover or Steer kit on a jeep Wrangler TJ. This is a huge Steering Upgrade and I’m super excited to have this in my jeep. here are some tips and tricks on getting this set up aligned and installed on your jeep. hope you enjoy the video thanks for watching, hit that subscribe button peace out.✌️
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I definitely understand your concern with the way it may handle on road. As this is my concern also! I can only share my experiences in hope that you can take this information and solve your own problems as we are different. A few questions I have for you : is the lift a short or long arm kit? did the lift come with the the pitman arm drop? Do you have adjustable upper and lower control arms on the front axle?
I have two jeeps and both do not have death wobble or wandering! I suspect wander comes from loose steering, improper caster and tire pressure. Bad ball joints, loose track bar.
Heres is a few different scenarios for perspective:
My green jeep has an older 3.5” procomp short arm lift. Kit came with a frame side track bar drop down bracket (weld on) and adjustable heim track bar with a pitman arm drop. And after the lift i experienced wandering. The fix was a heavy duty moog inverted y link that allows for lift adjustment. The moog y link is very solid and if you were to grab it, it offers zero movement! The ball joints are very very tight. I suspect this is why people tend to go with Currie rock jocks y link and they are sold when it fixes these problems. Moog is half the cost and same quality IMO. It’s been 8 years plus on that lift and I’ve had to tighten the track bar twice. After hard wheeling, That jeep regardless is a smooth operator!
Now for the red jeep:
It has a 4” skyjacker short arm kit and dual rate coils. For this jeep I went a different route. The lift didn’t come with a track bar so I bought the steinjager track bar. I liked this track bar because I didn’t need to weld on a frame side drop down track bar mount. Just drilled a hole and mounted it to the stock frame mount. It’s configuration allows for no drop mount by design. After that I put back on the stock inverted y link and boom wandering and instant death wobble. I took the jeep to a alignment shop and the wandering seemed to be better but still getting a very good shake at the steering wheel from 55-60 mph. I could not deal with that at all. I got the crossover steering installed and yep still had the issue but the steering definitely felt tighter. The shake was still Happening. I started back to the basics, remembered that my jk has a light that comes on the dash if my tire pressure goes below 37psi or if there’s a significant temperature drop causing it. Known that i decided to bump up my tire pressure from 32 to 40psi , took the jeep for a ride and boom the shake in the steering was gone! The tires I have had side wall give and do not like lower pressures! 40psi all the way around did it for me and it’s now a smooth operator! After installing the crossover steer I put back on the stock pitman arm! But I honestly don’t think it matters. The lift was designed for it but the new drag link seemed to have adjustment for that. I would say the main purpose for the pitman arm drop is to correct bump steer with the stock y link setup! When the axle goes up to the frame after hitting a bump the drag link puts force into the pitman arm transferring to the steering box then up to the steering wheel where you can feel it and try to correct. That constant trying to correct can get very annoying! This is what I call wandering! Or bad road tracking. Even the roads play a role in this. As of now I don’t run the drop pitman and my drag link /ride seems to not care. The ideal fix is to get the drag link as parallel to the track bar as possible (near perfect horizontal). On Tjs that’s almost impossible because the passenger nuckle is set up for y link. On jks it’s very simple just add a axle side drag and track bar lift bracket to accommodate for the new lift correcting the steerings new geometry making them parallel and horizontal.
One other thing to consider is caster , I have smaller tires so caster is less, larger tires offer way more caster and lift manufacturers know that you may be putting on larger tires. Adjustable lower and upper control arms correct caster by putting the axle out further ahead of the frame and the uppers correct the caster adjustment. Pushing that axle out further makes a world of a difference for our tjs you can correct caster and at the same time correct front pinion / driveshaft angles! Luckily on my 97 I was able to have eccentric lower control arm adjustment bolts. I’m currently maxed out without causing my front pinion angle to be out of spec. I’d definitely look at front upper and lower control arms as well. These cheap kits only offer and even say they are only good for offroad use . Not on road use! Go figure , 4lo is top speed 10mph haha. My suggestion is if you want a road worthy tj it’s going to be upgrading control arms and steering as well. Those cheap starter kits are not enough and are only meant for 10 mph offroad!
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I just came across your video. I just ordered this same steering kit. It's going on my 98 XJ but this video helped me anyways.
Can you run this over the Knuckle?
Very informative and great video!! I just recently installed the 4-inch rough country lift with 35 Nitto's on my 2003 Jeep TJ Rubicon I've owned for almost 20 years now. Also, I have the coil spring correction plates which give me about 5 inches of lift total. With the lift, I also have experienced increased wandering and sway, especially at highway speeds: 60-75MPH. Let me put it this way–I would never let my daughters learn to drive this Jeep on the highway when they turn 16 because I feel it is too dangerous and swirly for the inexperienced (wind, 18 wheelers, follows ruts, inadvertent over-correction causing uncomfortable sway). That's not the way late-model Jeeps should drive–lifted or not. While I already have heavy duty adjustable front & rear track bars & steering stabilizer, some folks have asked me to upgrade steering components to combat the excessive sway & wandering. I swapped to a dropped pitman arm (for 4-inch lifts) when installing the lift and some have said "no-no–go back to stock." I'm thinking of doing it before I spend the money on a new steering setup just because it is way cheaper. I notice you have what look likes 4-inch lift and 35's but seems to be your stock pitman arm–can you confirm? How is that set-up working for you? Did you experience any of the negative side effects before and/or after your heavy-duty steering set-up? I am working with tire pressure now and then will have it aligned in a few weeks. Alignment is probably a little off after the install but not too bad. Big Decision–trying to decide whether to go back to stock pitman arm before I have the alignment accomplished. Anyway–sorry for long read. Just trying to get my TJ back to better ride when I had Daystar 2.5 spacer lift with 33's. It drove considerably better and safer with that lift. MY FIX (in order)–dropping tire pressure from 35 to 28, stock pitman arm re-install (if 4×4 shop recommends), alignment and then heavy-duty steering setup if all else fells. Jeep has only 46,000 mile on it over 20 years all ball joints and tire rod ends are good and likely not the problem. Please elaborate. Cheers–Dave
How has it been since install. Thinking of doing on my TJ.
Good video. My project in 2022 will be 3.5” lift and a HD steering upgrade. I’ll also need to replace my stock wheels and tires. What wheel and tire set up do you have and what backspace & offset specs are you running to avoid rubbing.
How are your Roaters so CLEAN!?
Mine after Dillons? Lol
I’ll drop mine off next!