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There are some decent dealerships near me in the Midwest which try to cater to Techs. They will pay for schooling, provide some basic tools when starting out and are climate controlled. I'd say the starting pay is even a bit on the high end for some. There are also places tweaking flat rate. Still a challenging situation, however.
They need to stop making it soooo difficult to work on.
Warranty flat rate has been manipulated for years to the point where techs are doing three days of a job that pays six hours of pay.
Solution,, get rid of warranty flat rate and only use book time.
And use a hybrid pay system of hourly plus flat rate
Special tools. I dont want provided sockets and wrenches and ratchets. I want scan tools, bushing and bearing kits, pressure testers, and seal installers provided. Also more pay for diag time. I dont think people are worried that theyre not going to be able to beat flat rate eventually with practice replacing starters alternators water pumps and brakes. Not being able to ask for more diag time when you have a broken wire will turn people away
My son wanted to be a mechanic so he hired on at a dealership changing oil. It didn't take long for him to see how things work. After about a year he quit and went into the construction trades where he is doing vey well.
Design a car that you dont have to pull the engine to change the water pump. Its literally harder to change a heater core on a new vehicle than it was to pull a transmission on an old one.
Good points! Is your shop up and running yet? I’ve got a gem of a 2010 Forrester that needs some TLC.
Does California pay them hourly
The left says we just need to import more poor people from third world countries and pay them slave labor wages to "do the jobs that Americans don't want to do." Just like picking the fruit. I mean, I bet all those Pakastani dudes overhauling diesel engines in the dirt on Youtube would kill for the opportunity to change brakes and do BG wallet-flushes at a dealership.
On the other hand, they also say that fast food workers should make $20/hr….which is weird, because we could just import slave labor to do that job, too. It's so confusing.
Right? Right?…..Bueller?…….Bueller?……
On a serious note, until the USA takes auto repair seriously, and starts requiring some kind of actual licensing, instead of the current dealer system where anyone who can fog a mirror and owns a few tools can fix cars…one, your job is open to imported labor, and two, those mirror foggers drag down what everyone in the industry is worth.
Peace, and good luck from someone who left and now makes waaaay into six figures using the same skills in a different industry.
everything you said plus also make simpler cars that are easier to work on and maintain for the average technician.
The flat rate system ce out when the economy crashed in the early 2000s the tech used to get paid hourly plus bonus if he beat the book time
Ford will just say, WE have too many dealers, we're gonna close them.
This past week I had to replace the lower seat frame of a Grand Highlander under warranty due to the seat track jamming up. This required removing the seat from the vehicle, stripping it down to the bare frame, and transferring everything to the new frame. Warranty time was 0.3 hours or 18 minutes. Now imagine getting jobs like that all day long. Technicians are leaving the industry because they are being forced to literally work for free. Not long ago that sort of behavior was called slavery. Today it's called capitalism. It's time to call it by it's true names, corruption and theft.
Something that needs to be touched on is that most new vehicles are considered throwaway by their own manufacturers. Then as a tech. you're out there trying to repair something that was never designed to be repaired. As GM famously said "we don't make money from used cars we make money from new cars"
6:29 when there’s workplace politics/preference, yeah, you’re stuck with extensive diags that don’t pay at the end of the week. In turn, you try to rush to get more BS to get your hours for the week. 8:54 I’ve had to buy my own shop equipment because we’re not provided adequate equipment to stay cool in summer or warm when it’s cold. Don’t even get water. Get the correct last name, you’ll be good at work.
Climate control dont stop wet tires and under carriage
As a customer, flat rate sucks. Techs short cut, skip completely, rush and/or do shoddy work to make hours.
Being in this industry for the 40 year's I used to work in the union shop and got paid by the hour. When I had to move to a different state where the pay is flat rate and anyone who been in the automotive industry you already know and then I saidscrew it and went on my own and made better money.
To start fixing this, he's right the pay rate and pay scale has got to change especially for as veterans that are in 50's and 60's trying to make it work.
The manufacturers are delusional.
In the construction industry it is common for your boss to buy you a bucket and tell you to go to town and fill it up with tools at their own expense, while you as a helper focus on learning the trade and keep showing up and help out at the sites. The automotive industry is so greedy and flashy, especially dealers focusing on their show room floors, instead of their workers start up tools, bonuses, and higher pay with guaranteed base pay. This would flood shops with people looking for work.
Basic high school economics. If supply < demand, price (pay) is too low. But they want to pretend it's a complicated thing.